Is it gimei?

So I've read and partially agree with the saying, "Buy the sword, not the smith/mei." But my disagreement with that sentiment is; if I want to send a sword to Japan for a polish or a shinsa, I would rather it not be a gimei. If I have a $1000 sword and a possible $10000 sword, it's easy to see which one I'd want to invest $3000 in. I have a couple of the better smiths named swords. Blogs tell us that 90% are gimie, which is probably correct. So how do I tell for sure? I've done my internet searches with mixed results. I've found online sources where the shinsa signatures look quite a bit like my signatures. So here are my questions:

-Do the smiths signature change over time?
-Did the fakers have a copy of the authentic mei when they faked, or were they just winging it?
-Are they supposed to look EXACTLY like the ones I see online on published shinsas, or is there room for error? My signature varies somewhat every time I write it.
-If the hamon, hada, jiri, and yasuri are the same as the smith in question, is that evidence for genuine mei?
-Did the fakers 300 years ago just grab a random sword and fake the mie, or did they pick swords with the above characteristics to fake a name?
-How do I find out what type of hamon, hada, jiri and yasuri a certain smith used?

Here are the two meis that I am talking about:

Shinano no kami Minamoto Nobuyoshi

Bishu Ni ote Edo jo Masatsugu

These are my understanding of the translations. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you in advance for any assistance that you can give me for these questions. I will attempt to add photos, but this is my first question to this blog, so bear with me if it doesn't upload on the first attempt.

Phil

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my stab

-Do the smiths signature change over time?
Somewhat. The important books like Fujishiro sometimes show multiple examples by the same guy.

-Did the fakers have a copy of the authentic mei when they faked, or were they just winging it?
I doubt if anyone knows reliably. Some gimei are really close, and that would not be an accident.

-Are they supposed to look EXACTLY like the ones I see online on published shinsas, or is there room for error? My signature varies somewhat every time I write it.
There's definitely variation. When you have enough familiarity with kanji, you can see the handwriting features that tend to remain constant for one smith (usually).

-If the hamon, hada, jiri, and yasuri are the same as the smith in question, is that evidence for genuine mei?
To an expert, those things (plus more) are the ONLY evidence. Also add other features like shape, kissaki details, etc. The blade is studied with the signature covered up; you make a decision about who made it; then look at the signature. The signature by itself proves almost nothing, because in the end it's just chisel marks.

-Did the fakers 300 years ago just grab a random sword and fake the mie, or did they pick swords with the above characteristics to fake a name?
The faking was believed to be primarily for money reasons, so that leads to what you must do when making a fake. The idea (most likely) was NOT to fool an expert (which would be super difficult), but rather to fool someone with money, and someone who wasn't going to do their research. It's the same today with the gunto made in China. A lot of gimei were probably aimed at folks like merchants, who had money, but not expertise - they just wanted to claim they owned an important blade - nobody was likely to challenge them on it.

-How do I find out what type of hamon, hada, jiri and yasuri a certain smith used?
Other than the internet, it's a matter of checking as many of the respected reference books as possible. Most of those are in Japanese, unfortunately.
A good source is the old back issues of the NTHK and NBTHK magazines - they have English versions. Find out which issues have articles about the smiths you care about.

Keep in mind that "kantei" is still just an opinion. The big experts are NOT in the business of being uncertain, so their opinion will often sound absolute. On an unsigned blade, however, it is common to get an attribution to just a "school", because it's just not realistic to be too specific, when there might be a dozen smiths that did similar work.

Pete

other thoughts

>If I have a $1000 sword and a possible $10000 sword, it's easy to see which one I'd want to invest $3000 in.
As I've written many times to others, you should make sure you Very Clearly understand WHY you want to "invest" in a polish and shinsa. Trying to make it "more valuable" is one reason, but as you know, it's a very risky business. Making it "look better" is another reason, but why does it need to look better?
A polish removes metal, and cannot be put back. What if the polishing exposes a serious flaw? You might wish you didn't know about it.

Also be aware that if your blade has an important name on it, then the shinsa can be influenced by things like politics, prejudice, favoritism, bigotry, etc. Many years ago in Japan, I took photos of a WWII blade to the museum in Tokyo, asking for comments (I knew almost nothing). A museum staffer told me what I wanted to hear, which is that it was 200-300 years old, the signature was "Kanewaka", a famous line of smiths, etc. Later, I showed the same pictures to a sword dealer, and he immediately said "Ah, a Showa Kanewaka. It's in bad shape, eh?".

Pete

Gimei

Thanks for your answesr, you confirmed many of my thoughts. It's too bad that a lot of these books haven't been translated to English yet. I just bought a set and am anxiously waiting for it's arrival.

Thanks again,

Phil

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Phil Blair